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GW ändert Warhammer Fantasy
11.01.2015, 15:03
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GW ändert Warhammer Fantasy
Folgendes Habe ich im Wormser TabletopForum gefunden. Könnte für ein zwei Fantasy Spieler, mehr haben wir leider Gottes nicht, interessant sein.


So folgenden Artikel hab ich heute im Internet gefunden und gelesen. Sollte das wirklich so kommen, wird die GW-Aktie wohl noch tiefer in den Keller fallen. Wie war das mit dem Hochmut und dem Fall? Warum hört man nicht auf Ideen und Anregungen von seinen Kunden, Vereinen usw. anstatt so ein Mist zu fabrizieren. Also ich kann nur sagen, dass ich zu 40K und anderen Veränderungen schon oft Artikel gelesen habe von diesem Informanten, leider waren diese bisher zu 95% zutreffend. Also lest selber, macht euch Gedanken, schüttelt den Kopf und seht euch die Gier und die Blödheit eines Unternehmens an! Wenn es so kommt, wird sich Warhammer Fantasy bald erledigt haben und für mich dann wohl auch das Hobby!!!

Hier das Interview /der Bericht:

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BREAKING NEWS: Große Änderungen stehen bei Warhammer Fantasy an
Hallo zusammen, WaaaghSchale von Waaaghgaming hier mit den neusten News und Gerüchten.

Wenn ihr Fantasy Spieler seid dann würde ich vorschlagen, dass ihr erstmal platz nehmt bevor ihr weiter lest, denn das Folgende wird nicht einfach zu schlucken sein.
Die 9. Edition steht bekanntlich vor der Tür. Sehr wahrscheinlich ist ein Release des neuen Regelbuchs im Mai 2015.
Und… es ändert sich viel… sehr viel!
Darnok hat die unten aufgeführten Gespräche mit verschiedenen Personen (von ihm Birdy genannt) über einen längeren Zeitraum geführt, die Infos gesammelt, noch mal nachgehakt, sie sortiert und so überarbeitet, dass die Quellen nicht um ihre Zukunft bei GW fürchten müssen, nachzulesen sind die Infos bei Warseer.
Die Veränderungen die die 9. Edition bringen soll sind ziemlich radikal…

Da es wirklich krasse Infos sind gibt es sie erstmal im Original.



Warhammer – And Now For Something Completely Different

If you like Warhammer, I suggest you better take a seat.

Over the last few months I got a few glimpses on what WHF could change to in the very near future. I have collected messages, asked questions, and tried to form a somewhat coherent picture. The one thing I believe by now is: Warhammer in its current form will no longer be supported by GW. It will be transformed into something else, with everything built up in background and most of the model range being kicked out of the door.


To give you an insight into some of the messages I got, have a look at the following. Please note that I am paraphrasing at times, and have cut out (hopefully) everything that could lead to the original identities of my friendly birdies.

Originally Posted by Birdy
– 9th Edition to pick up where the ET leaves off in fluff, plus a couple of hundred years or so (to reboot the setting).

- The Warhammer World gets shattered on a dimensional level during the climax of the ET. No more “map of the Old World” – it’s now little bubbles of reality, where pockets of civilisation try desperately to eke a living before the next collision with another bubble, which may be full of Chaos. (To address the problem of “how come my Tomb Kings of Khemri are fighting against Wood Elves from Athel Loren?”, not that I get the impression that either of those will still exist, but you get the idea)

- New faction… heavily armoured, religious, “good” human warriors fighting with the power of the gods. (Warhammer Space Marines, basically). Karl Franz Ascended seems to be the prototype or precursor for this concept, AFAICT.
Originally Posted by Another Birdy
9th edition will have 6 factions. Model diversity cut in half shelf space. New world and new age so current factions and lore aren’t recognizable at all. Each new faction has like 3 core units that will always be on the shelf. Much faster releases of stuff, mainly characters and special units of 2-5 fancy models (like Morghasts) that have their own rules right in the box, so not dependent on a static army book. Many of the these non-core models are only available for a limited time (say 6 months to a year), so they don’t take up shelf space forever and ever. Many existing models are not usable in 9th.
Originally Posted by Birdy #3
We can expect the next edition of Fantasy to throw everything up in the air. The whole End Times move has been to wean people onto a whole new take on the Warhammer world and it’s going to start with every army being “chaosified”. We can expect army play styles and appearance to change quite dramatically and there will be a whole load of new models being released early on to tie everything together. This has caused quite a stir back at GW HQ as there are a lot of people behind the scenes (some of which are very well known to us) who don’t like the changes that have been made. I have also been told that the models due to be released are some of the best to date!
Add to that (and by “Birdy Prime” I mean my best source so far):

To give you an insight into some of the messages I got, have a look at the following. Please note that I am paraphrasing at times, and have cut out (hopefully) everything that could lead to the original identities of my friendly birdies.

Originally Posted by Birdy
– 9th Edition to pick up where the ET leaves off in fluff, plus a couple of hundred years or so (to reboot the setting).

- The Warhammer World gets shattered on a dimensional level during the climax of the ET. No more “map of the Old World” – it’s now little bubbles of reality, where pockets of civilisation try desperately to eke a living before the next collision with another bubble, which may be full of Chaos. (To address the problem of “how come my Tomb Kings of Khemri are fighting against Wood Elves from Athel Loren?”, not that I get the impression that either of those will still exist, but you get the idea)

- New faction… heavily armoured, religious, “good” human warriors fighting with the power of the gods. (Warhammer Space Marines, basically). Karl Franz Ascended seems to be the prototype or precursor for this concept, AFAICT.
Originally Posted by Another Birdy
9th edition will have 6 factions. Model diversity cut in half shelf space. New world and new age so current factions and lore aren’t recognizable at all. Each new faction has like 3 core units that will always be on the shelf. Much faster releases of stuff, mainly characters and special units of 2-5 fancy models (like Morghasts) that have their own rules right in the box, so not dependent on a static army book. Many of the these non-core models are only available for a limited time (say 6 months to a year), so they don’t take up shelf space forever and ever. Many existing models are not usable in 9th.
Originally Posted by Birdy #3
We can expect the next edition of Fantasy to throw everything up in the air. The whole End Times move has been to wean people onto a whole new take on the Warhammer world and it’s going to start with every army being “chaosified”. We can expect army play styles and appearance to change quite dramatically and there will be a whole load of new models being released early on to tie everything together. This has caused quite a stir back at GW HQ as there are a lot of people behind the scenes (some of which are very well known to us) who don’t like the changes that have been made. I have also been told that the models due to be released are some of the best to date!
Add to that (and by “Birdy Prime” I mean my best source so far):

To give you an insight into some of the messages I got, have a look at the following. Please note that I am paraphrasing at times, and have cut out (hopefully) everything that could lead to the original identities of my friendly birdies.

Originally Posted by Birdy
– 9th Edition to pick up where the ET leaves off in fluff, plus a couple of hundred years or so (to reboot the setting).

- The Warhammer World gets shattered on a dimensional level during the climax of the ET. No more “map of the Old World” – it’s now little bubbles of reality, where pockets of civilisation try desperately to eke a living before the next collision with another bubble, which may be full of Chaos. (To address the problem of “how come my Tomb Kings of Khemri are fighting against Wood Elves from Athel Loren?”, not that I get the impression that either of those will still exist, but you get the idea)

- New faction… heavily armoured, religious, “good” human warriors fighting with the power of the gods. (Warhammer Space Marines, basically). Karl Franz Ascended seems to be the prototype or precursor for this concept, AFAICT.
Originally Posted by Another Birdy
9th edition will have 6 factions. Model diversity cut in half shelf space. New world and new age so current factions and lore aren’t recognizable at all. Each new faction has like 3 core units that will always be on the shelf. Much faster releases of stuff, mainly characters and special units of 2-5 fancy models (like Morghasts) that have their own rules right in the box, so not dependent on a static army book. Many of the these non-core models are only available for a limited time (say 6 months to a year), so they don’t take up shelf space forever and ever. Many existing models are not usable in 9th.
Originally Posted by Birdy #3
We can expect the next edition of Fantasy to throw everything up in the air. The whole End Times move has been to wean people onto a whole new take on the Warhammer world and it’s going to start with every army being “chaosified”. We can expect army play styles and appearance to change quite dramatically and there will be a whole load of new models being released early on to tie everything together. This has caused quite a stir back at GW HQ as there are a lot of people behind the scenes (some of which are very well known to us) who don’t like the changes that have been made. I have also been told that the models due to be released are some of the best to date!
Add to that (and by “Birdy Prime” I mean my best source so far):

Originally Posted by Birdy Prime
‘9th’ [or] whatever is next for fantasy […] coming 2015 in the summer. The new faction [plus] future releases after this point for five ‘existing’ factions (which plus this would make six) […] but I think there will be […] more.
As you can see, it will be drastic. It seems like those „Spanish rumours“ might have had some more flesh on them than I thought: I am by now sorry for my sometimes nasty words about them. And despite my remorse about ever mentioning it, I think my statement about a „ragestorm of epic proportions“ could have been correct after all.

This whole thing will turn out to be either correct or not in less than six months. Hopefully we can get over our worst emotions until then.

P.S.: I have sat on most of this since right before Christmas, but decided I didn’t want to ruin anybodies holidays. I also had high hopes for somebody relieving me from this stuff… but that hope was lost.




Das wichtigste daraus wurde in der TabletopWelt bereits zusammengefasst und übersetzt.



Muss nicht stimmen, sind ja nur Gerüchte, aber Darnok auf WarSeer sagt (und in letzter Zeit hatte er meist recht mit seinen Gerüchten):

- 9te Edition macht da weiter, wo die End Times aufhören + ein paar hundert Jahre.

- Die Warhammerwelt wird zerstört, und auf einer dimensionalen Ebene in kleine “Taschen” der Realität geteilt. Die Bewohner versuchen dort krampfhaft zu überleben, während sie darauf warten, dass ihre Tasche mit einer anderen kollidiert und es zu Kämpfen kommt.
- eine neue Fraktion von göttlichen, schwer gepanzerten Kriegern. Da sie technisch nicht im Weltall kämpfen, nennt man sie Dimensional Marines. Ev. so wie der neue Karl Franz.

- [Dazu kommen 5 weitere Fraktionen] Vielleicht wird es später mehr Fraktionen geben. Die 6 sinds von Anfang an, um die Nachfrage decken zu können.

- Das Miniaturen[angebot] wird zu Beginn […] halbiert. Viele aktuelle Modelle werden nicht weiter unterstützt. Jede Fraktion hat einen Kern an Einheiten, die immer verfügbar sind. (Kernminiatruenreihe), und dazu kommen temporär verfügbare Modelle, die dann tatsächlich nur einige Monate/Wochen kaufbar sein werden, aber immer gespielt werden können, mit Regeln in der jeweiligen Box.

- Wir können davon ausgehen dass Armeen und Spielstil drastisch verändert werden. GW scheint vielen seiner alten Hasen (sprich Spiel- und Miniaturendesigner) damit gewaltig ans Bein gepisst zu haben und die sind in letzter Zeit alle gegangen.

- Das ganze kommt im Sommer 2015. Vorher außer EndTimes nichts mehr für Warhammer.

Also ich hoffe mal es stimmt nicht …


Darnok hat dazu noch folgendes in der TabletopWelt hinzugefügt.



Ich hätte diese Neuigkeiten lieber nicht verkünden müssen.

Ich habe extra etwas damit gewartet, andere Leute gefragt, auf Widerspruch gehofft. Aber der Grundtenor war eindeutig: WHF in der bisherigen Form wird im kommenden Sommer zu Grabe getragen – zumindest von GW aus. Immerhin kann niemandem der bisherige Stand weggenommen werden. Und ob das “neue” Warhammer dann doch Fans findet… abwarten.

Das Ganze hört sich eigentlich fast zu krass an um wahr zu sein aber wenn man bedenkt von wem die Infos stammen, so dürfte hier wohl schon etwas dran sein.
Letzten Endes bleibt abzuwarten in welcher Form das genau ablaufen wird. Es dürfte aber schon recht drastisch werden.
Natfka hat hierzu auch noch einige Informationen.



via a very solid source on Faeit 212
Let me give you some confirmation:
The setting is being completely overhauled – true.
The concept of a huge chunks of the world in a sea similar to the warp from 40k – true.
Faction reduction to 6 – true

As for how it interacts with the current rules.
9th edition takes place after the sundering that brought about from the End Times.

So for the purposes of compatibility, you can use your 8th edition hardback book, representing a section of the culture that hasn’t been horrifically changed by the End Times (Recognizing it will have the same drawbacks of using a dated book that are experienced elsewhere).

You can use End Times rules/concepts, representing a section that is still being torn apart.

You can use the new, post-end times rules to represent what is “current.”

All the books (again, with the caveat that older books may not be optimal for the new core rules [but truthfully the core rules aren’t changing wildly, like 5th to 6th edition 40k, really more of a tidied up 8th edition with a brand new setting]) are designed to be compatible.

Support will be towards the new book, new setting, however, with End Times being in the past. Viable, but not current.

Expect armies to have fewer units in their core books, which will be heavily focused on the fluff for where they are now, what they’ve been doing in the centuries immediately following the sundering. This will create a more “balanced” pool as they will be rapidly produced and released (consider a scale even somewhat faster than what we’ve had for 40k these past few years).

These will then be expanded on with supplements, not intended as money-grabs (as I am sure they will be received by the majority of your readers), but more as guided hands to acknowledge deficiencies in books, or even “global meta” changes. The first time that Games Workshop will be openly acknowledging things that need changes.

These units will typically get white dwarf rules treatments heralding the release in hardback of all of the new units from the previous month(s), for a new setting expansion, which will pit several of the races together (representing a collision).

As these expansions are not permanent in the world, so too will these models not be. They are intended to only get one template injection mold life-run, the same as the books will be printed only once in hardback, then delayed paperback.

They will of course remain legal throughout all of 9th, they will just be more limited eventually, the same as the end time models will not be available forever, the same as XYZ model is no longer available (just with a shorter life span than previous experienced). I mean… you can’t get albion models anymore either, but that campaign was before people whined on the internet, so I guess that’s why no one’s complaining.

This will allow for more new models, as contrary to common belief, the storage and rejuvenation of these templates takes a lot of resources which can be instead dedicated to new ones.

On the topic of round bases. The latest version I saw used round bases, but units had the option of ranking up to receive the typical bonuses. To rank up using round bases, it is intended to use new movement trays which have circular cuts to hold the bases of the appropriate size.

Nothing stops you from (and in many ways you are encouraged to) maintain unit formation the entire game. But you don’t have to. Note that throughout all of Warhammer Fantasy, changing width/depth was an option, it’s just rarely seen.

So to summarize – you can skirmish, but it’s in your interests to rank up for different reasons, like shield walling before a charge for instance. You can alternatively always hold a formation and move the way we’re all used to.

—-

This will be a very big change. It is not because GW doesn’t care about its old players and just wants to attract new ones. It is not to fill a void that will come from the fading of Lord of the Rings (which will remain in stores and be supported for a long time due to the agreement with New Line Cinemas).

It is just a very fresh look at a game that hasn’t changed dramatically in how it’s played since the dawn of the game and company. It will give everyone the opportunity and hopefully inspiration to do something new, but without invalidating everything from the past. It is opening room for creativity, not closing doors.

Yes, army books will eventually feel too out of date to play, but that’s the same with any new edition. And new Army Books will typically allow people to recreate what they’re “used to” it just might not be the most effective thing they could do with their new book.

The new faction are basically the opposite of warriors of chaos, but good the way chaos marines are the opposite of space marines but evil (in terms of broad tropes, I really hope this doesn’t spawn some kind of debate about the morality of space marines).

Lastly, nothing stops you from just playing 8th, and ignoring 9th the same way some people ignore End Times. Just understand that unlike Storm of Chaos which was post-production looked at as an “alternate timeline” where the clock was turned back to right before it took place for the purposes of the setting, the End Times are real, and 9th will begin where it left off.




Ich versuche mal das wichtigste daraus zusammenzufassen.



Das Setting wird sich komplett verändern.
Große Teile werden im Meer versinken und die Fraktionen werden auf sechs reduziert.
Die neunte Edition wird nach den End Times Ereignissen abspielen.
Mit der 9. und 8. Edition, sowie End Times kann man dann in verschiedenen “Zonen” spielen, eine die von den End Times Ereignissen kaum betroffen ist, eine in der die Ereignisse noch voll im Gange sind oder eine die schon darüber hinaus ist.

Natürlich liegt der Support von GW auf dem neuen, aktuellen Setting.
Man kann davon ausgehen, dass die einzelnen Armeen weniger verschiedene Einheiten in ihrem Buch haben werden. Diese werden allerdings mit Supplements und White Dwarf Regeln erweitert.
Diese Bücher und Miniaturen werden aber aller Wahrscheinlichkeit nach nur in limitierter Stückzahl verfügbar sein. Dadurch wird es mehr neue Modelle geben.

Es sieht auch danach aus, dass es runde Bases geben wird, man sich aber weiterhin auch in festen Formationen aufstellen und bewegen kann.
Das Ganze wird eine große Veränderung für Warhammer Fantasy aber im Pribnzip werden nur neue Möglichkeiten hinzugefügt ohne alte abzuschaffen.

Bei der neuen Fraktion (Fantasy Marines) handelt es sich im Grunde um das Gegenstück zu den Kriegern des Chaos in einer guten Form. Sowie die Chaos Space Marines das Gegenstück der Space Marines sind.

Es wurden auch einige Sachen genannt die sich durchaus positiv lesen, wie z.B. die Sache mit der Auflockerung der starren Formation. Im Gegenzug will es mir aber gar nicht zusagen wenn ich lesen muss, dass die Miniaturen nur in begrenzter Stückzahl vorhanden sein sollen. Naja Dritthersteller dürften sich darüber wohl freuen.
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